He also brought Annie and Mimi with him. I told the kids to play downstairs so that I could clean upstairs. There was black hairspray on every surface I wiped down, and when I blew my nose... yep, black snot! Every time I would check on the kids they had candy wrappers everywhere. I kept looking for a stash of candy, and finally found that they had snuck Chloe's entire Trunk-or-Treat bucket downstairs and emptied it. They ate, and built forts, and played dress up and had a grand ole time.
After 4 hours they started to bicker quite a bit, so I decided some Halloween fun was in order and we made chocolate lollipops.
Alex and Mimi had big sister envy and wanted skeleton hands too, so after the first batch was out of the molds, I made them each one. This is how Alex decided to pose with them. Chloe also wanted a skeleton hand, only she calls it a "high five".
The root beer keg
I also wanted a picture of Violet so I chased her around and got lots of pictures of her blurring past me, but I finally caught her. Isn't she the cutest thing?
Anyhow, here they are on their last spin around candyland. Only about 12 houses were lit down our block, which was just as well because we did not need any more candy.
I got wise after Saturday and brought a wagon full of blankets for my little butterfly. Notice that I also ditched the hair paint after two days of scrubbing it out, and Clark Kent transformed into Superman.
Now that the holiday is over, I am home with Chloe, who goes straight for her candy bucket at dawn and never puts it down until bed time. I have found purses with candy in them that she is carrying around to try to trick me, and I have found small piles stashed under the bed. I never know quite how to handle the Halloween loot. Do you let them eat more than they should and get it over with? Or do you ration it out? I usually give them a day to go little crazy, and then when the newness is gone, I put it up high and deal it out more appropriately. I am noticing that Alex and Alyssa have learned to moderate for themselves a little bit. Chloe, however, is a toddler possessed. Feel free to weigh in on how you handle that one too.
With that, we have now officially blown out the candles in the Jack-O-Lanterns this year....almost. Stay tuned for Alex's Halloween themed birthday party next weekend.
Since I am getting your opinion on so many things today, I might as well ask one more question. I finally ordered Alex's birthday party stuff (so that I could wait for the Halloween sales) and it is not guaranteed to get here until the 10th. I was going to have his party this Saturday, the 6th. Oriental Trading has never taken longer than a week before, but now I am nervous. So I am considering doing his party on the 11th, his actual birthday. That is a Thursday though. Do you think it is rude to ask people to come on a weekday? I would do it the 12th or 13th, but me and the kids will be flying to California on Friday, the 12th. I have to decide what to do ASAP so that I can get invitations out. We are only inviting his church class and the neighbor boy, so they are all people whose parents I know, if that makes a difference? Advice?
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I think there is no use in anyone arguing about this anymore. There will always be people who don't want to participate in this on a Sunday. I don't think it is such a bad thing letting those that want to celebrate Halloween but still want ...to keep the Sabbath day sacred have the chance to do that. I don't really want to participate in this discussion every time it comes up anymore. Really what is the harm in celebrating Halloween on whatever day you wish, or in some peoples case, both days. I know that as a child of divorce there were times I celebrated Thanksgiving on two different days with both sets of parents. Is that so wrong just because on one of those days it wasn't Thanksgiving?
I know that my children won't go full trick-or-treating on Halloweens on Sunday, but will on Saturday or whatever weekday it is. But to each their own, which I think this is why there will always an argument about this...sigh
I am a meanie candy mom. Halloween while they trick or treat they get to eat some. Usually the sneakier they are the more they get to eat. But after that they get some for dessert for lunch and dinner. This year, they got so much that they have resorted to building with it. I have promised a blog post on the construction of candy castles and towers.
As for trick or treating on Sunday. This was the first year we had to even think about it, but everyone did it on Saturday so it was a non issue. I don't know what I would do in your shoes. I think everyone gets to choose what they feel good about for their family and the rest of the world shouldn't care.
Hmm, for Alex. I keep thinking that I should do Aspen's party once at least after Halloween. First because it would be sooo cheap. I went to the store today and I think I could do a crazy great party for $10.00. I bet if most of the people you invite are from church that they would love a Thursday afternoon party. And if your stuff doesn't get there in time, call everyone and have them meet you at McDonald play place instead. Either way you do it it will be perfect and fun.
Emily, I agree that we should each allow each other to make our own decisions, and I wasn't trying to argue. Just wondering what other people thought, or IF you think it is wrong to trick or treat on Sunday...why? Why is it worse than Easter, or Christmas gifts, etc.,? Just wondering, not arguing. I have been so weird about letting them go and now that I finally did I really couldn't FEEL what was wrong with it? As for not letting your kids go full trick or treating on a Sunday, that is much easier said when you live in Utah where they ALWAYS provide another option, and a little trickier in a place where Sunday is the ONLY option they give you. Where are your Halloween pictures? I want to see your cute munchkin all dressed up. I hope you guys had fun, sorry my question rubbed you the wrong way.
Sarah, Candy castles? How creative, although Chloe would be sneaking all the wrappers off. A Halloween party is definitely great for after Halloween. Unfortunately though, I spent a lot because everything was discounted so I kept thinking I could add one more cheap thing. I am excited though, and I would take my kids to a weekday party. I would maybe even prefer it over a weekend, but I am afraid no one will come. I still don't have a shipping e-mail from OT though, so I am thinking Saturday may not happen.
I def say make the party for Saturday cause I think the stuff will come. I agree with Sarah's candy rationing strategy, I use the "pumpkin candy" as bribes for eating all of lunch and dinner. It would be nice to get rid of it though, just because it is so hard for me to resist!!
Forgot to mention Al posing with the lollipop arms...he is so bizarre and I love it!
Sunday-totally fine. I like to celebrate on the 31st. :) I wouldn't go "out of my way" just to celebrate on a Sunday.
Candy-we eat a lot for the first few days. Pancake with candy eyes? Sure! :) After that, we store it in the cupboard and ration it. Stalk up when we head to the movies. Throw a piece in for bagged lunch. Eat a few for dessert.
Birthday Party-I think it will get there in time, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it on a Thursday-especially because you know all the children. We just went to a Thursay party and didn't mind a bit. It made for a fun school night.
Happy November!
I always remember trick or treating on the 31st. The 31st is Halloween! Halloween is the day we trick or treat!
Okay, obvious how I feel about it huh?
I like doing the Trunk or Treat on a different day because it gives us a chance to see the ward kids and families that live so far away from us dressed up and I hate the trick or treating on Sundays that aren't Halloween. I think that's just dumb. But, I have NO problem trick or treating on Sunday if it's Halloween.
As for the candy- originally I thought I would just let Abi go at it... I always take out enough candy to pass out one a day until Thanksgiving as a countdown... but this year I put it up high last night and she's only had two pieces today because after Friday night candy and treating on that all weekend Abi was out of control and not herself yesterday.
AS for Alex's birthday party I don't think there is anything wrong with a weekday as long as it doesn't interfere with dinner or bedtime.
Our Stake Pres. sent out a letter the week before Halloween, asking that members attend the Saturday Trunk or Treat and not go out on Sunday. But--I also think each person does what they feel is OK--and sounds like your Sunday afternoon was more of a neighborhood visit. And--I see nothing wrong with a Thursday party. And--somehow, the piles and piles of candy somehow got smaller each night while the kids were asleep! And it lasted a lot longer, and I didn't have to buy treats for a LONG time, because the candy in the piles magically appeared (hidden) in my cupboard.
Val, I knew you would appreciate the lollipop arms. I post most of Al's weird moments exclusively for your viewing pleasure.
Katie, Sounds like we are on the same page with all three questions. I don't prefer to celebrate on Sunday either, just on the 31st. But in Utah they do trick or treat on Saturday if the 31st is on Sunday and I don't totally agree with that either. Just do it on the 31st. If not it starts the war about them catering to the Mormon population. I even knew some families in Utah who would pass out a scripture attached to the candy about keeping the sabbath day holy, to kids who came out on Sunday. I think that is self rightous and RUDE! If you don't agree, shut your doors and read your scriptures, but don't pass judgement on little children. Ick!
Cheryl, I am right with you too. Since I moved here I have always felt that if Sunday was the 31st I would let them go, but I was afraid for anyone at church to know because everyone makes such a big deal about who goes on Sunday. I agree that the Sunday thing every year is dumb, and I don't think I will ever get behind it. I want Halloween to be on Halloween.
Ann, The Stake Pres sent a letter? WOW! I personally think that is meddling/micromanaging a little bit. There are a lot of things I don't let my kids do on Sunday...swim, shop, act like animals, or anything that interferes with church but I am pretty sure we have never been given hard and fast rules on what is and is not keeping the Sabbath Day Holy. I let my kids watch TV, others don't, but they may let them swim. We each have to make those decisions for our family. And I still want someone to tell me how Easter Egg hunts or Sunday Christmas mornings are any more reverent or acceptable? If anything, those activities are more offensive. I particiapte in both, but in theory, I am just saying that on Easter and Christmas we wake up to Santa gifts and bunny treats, when those are religious holidays. Holidays that should be about Christ, and yet on Easter morning I bet MOST Christian kids are not thinking about the ressurrestion, but about what treasures the bunny has hidden. Trick or treating is just gathering candy, same as Easter and at least it is not posing as a religious holiday.
Anyhow, I am not offended or annoyed at anyone's personal opinion. Just pointing out the inconsistencies I see.
I think I will have to move that party to next week since I still don't have a shipping confirmation from OT. Good to know that most of you would not find a weekday party out of line.
Sorry Julie if it seems like I was arguing with you! Not what I meant!! I think it might have sounded that way because, living in Utah, all I heard this week was "Only in Utah do they not trick or treat on Sunday" "Why can't they Mormons just trick-or-treat on Sunday" and the likes that it kind of frustrates me and stuff. All I've said this week is that it isn't just Utah, or Mormons, who don't want to do that on Sunday and I have no problem handing out candy on both nights. The old standby of porch light on/ porch light off I thought kind of is a good compromise.
Plus, half the people I talked to who didn't want their kids to trick or treat on Saturday forgot to mention that in years previous they went trick or treating on BOTH nights. Nice.
Also, the point I was trying to make with the other holidays is that it shouldn't matter what day it is on, it should matter when you celebrate it. We didn't do much on Halloween this year, but boy did we celebrate it on Wednesday...and Thursday...and Friday...and Saturday...And it was a blast because it was all with family.
And I will post pictures. If you had facebook you could have already seen Little Miss as Jessie, though I think you are going to love Branch's costume!!
Emily, Thanks for clarifying what you meant. It is a tricky subject, and since I have done my time in Utah, I know how heated it can get there. It is a bummer that they make everything about Mormon vs. non-Mormon. Sometimes it is not that simple. Like you said,other people prefer not to trick or treat on Sunday, too. Case in point: My friend Jen's neighborhood, where they opted for Saturday instead. Since they are the only Mormons in that area, it had nothing to do with Mormonism. Some people probably prefer Saturday for religious reasons, and others so they don't have to go on a school night. Who knows? I do see both sides of the Utah argument though, because when I lived there I often felt like I was discriminated against for being Mormon AND I could see just as much discrimination against people who weren't. So sad. So lame. I can see how if you lived there and the church was fused into every part of life you would get very easily offended. If someone said "we should be allowed to keep the Sabbath Day Holy" it might sting. Because maybe they don't think it is unholy to go out, and feel judged by being told that? That is kind of how I feel when other Mormons tell me they would NEVER do that on Sunday, because I felt okay about it and I DO consider myself to be someone who honors the Sabbath. So yeah, it is a tough issue. It is okay to have differing opinions, but sometimes people can't just leave it at that. Did you read my comment about people I knew in Utah who passed out scriptures to kids on Sunday Halloween? That is taking it WAY too far. And now you have reminded me of one of only two things I did not love about living in Utah. The other one, the dry weather. I think if I moved back my skin would fall off. But I do miss all of you! Sorry to be the only one without Facebook, but pelase keep the blog alive so that I can stay in the loop too.
I confess I just skimmed the comments, so I may be repeating what's been said.
1. It's nice to live in Utah where Sunday Trick-or-Treating mostly does not happen. I think the only problem with it on Sunday is somehow the gory scary icky costumes don't seem to Sunday-ish. However, the adorable cute ones do. And where you limit the walking to just the neighbors and getting to know them, well that sounds like a perfect Sunday activity to me. Guess it boils down to what works for you. I am thinking there are probably enough people in your community who would prefer the 31st to be celebrated on the 31st instead of Sunday, you could get that Sunday rule changed.
2. Candy issue was totally non in our home. I was the one who would eat it all immediately. I'd clean out Halloween candy from under the kids' beds and out of their drawers for months after. I don't think any of my kids were born with a sweet tooth. Honestly. Weirdest kids ever. They could hoard their stashes until the candy went rotten (and that's a very very long time).
3. Do the party whenever it works for you. It's never been an issue in the past to have parties same day as the birthdays, but I know that would put a lot of pressure on getting ready to fly out.
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So glad you guys came over to trick-or-treat and have a kegger with us on Saturday even if it was wicked chilly. Thanks also for letting the girls come over to hang out on Saturday. I didn't realize it would turn out to be an all day thing, and I hope it wasn't too much for you. I did get a lot done though, so thanks again.
I, too, grew up where we went trick-or-treating on the actual day of Halloween even on school nights. My family wasn't religious, so that was never an issue. However, here's my thought on Halloween falling on a Sunday. Statistically, Halloween will fall on a Sunday every 6-7 years (give or take a year because of leap year). So that's ONE DAY OUT OF SEVEN YEARS that your children will be possibly not following the Sabbath. Can the people who are against this honestly say that they've followed the Sabbath EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS? Sorry if I offend, but that's just my take on it.
Oh, forgot to mention the pics. That one of Annie on top of the bunk bed threw me off at first because it looked like she was in the t.v. next to that blonde lady... LOL. You got such a cute pic of Violet, so I may have to steal it. Love the pic of Alex with skeleton hands..hahaha.
That might be the first time I have ever seen Violet and she is adorable. The costume is great too. I used to like weekday parties because it gave my kids something to do in the afternoon and didn't take up time on Saturdays which were filled with sports and family stuff. Either way is fine. Oh, and our Bishop's kids came to our house on Sunday night to trick or treat. All is well, the sky didn't fall.
Halloween is one of my favorite holidays and was always big production till moving to wonderful Kenosha. Now every year I go into a depression evey halloween. I think it needs to be celebrated on the 31st not some random sunday! We don't go tick or treating because it is on sunday. We also don't do easter eggs on sunday either all that is saturday.
Last year was a blast because I actually got to decorate my house and the kids got to go trick or treating and experience all of the holidays spirit that I grew up with!!!
Thats what I think!
Julie, I don't like the gross costumes any day of the week, but I am thankful that someone finally made an argument WHY trick or treat seems irreverent to them. That's all I was wondering really. I can't believe you never had candy issues in your home. My kids act like demented lunatics after Halloween from about age 2 until 5 or 6. Then they get it. I admit that I have the biggest problem as well. Yesterday at 4PM it occurred to me that I had eaten nothing but Halloween candy all day. Oops!
Jen, The girls were fine on Saturday. It did turn in to a LONG day, but if I felt bad for anyone it was Mike. We definitely owe you guys dinner, and we will try not to get sick and cancel this time. AS for Halloween, I also think the 31st is the best solution, because like you pointed out, each child will only have to deal with it falling on Sunday once or twice in their trick or treating life. That would be easy to work around. Go or don't go and have a party instead, but it wouldn't be often enough to make it a big deal. I was so happy to finally get a picture of Violet. She was being quite elusive, wasn't she?
Mom, I was thinking the same thing about a weekday party. The more I think of it, I would probably prefer people did them on weekdays from about 4:00-6:00. I admit that I am sometimes bummed out when I get an invite for the middle of a Saturday and have to plan family events around it.
Emma, We need to campaign for Halloween on the 31st. I don't support the trick or treating on a random Sunday either, which is why I have boycotted on the years when the 31st was not on Sunday. We need to figure out how to change it. I like that you are consistent about not celebrating on Sundays though. I have thought of moving Easter Eggs to Saturday too. I am weird about Easter bunnies and Santa taking over religious holidays and would like to separate the religious part of the holiday from the secular part. I find secular Easter and Christmas more irreverent than Halloween, because they are masquerading around detracting us from revering MAJOR spiritual events. I celebrate and love Easter and Christmas, but to me, those are the ones that take us from what we should be thinking about on those sacred days. At least Halloween is not stealing anyone else's thunder. Anyhow, I am off to vote now. Do you think there will be anything on the ballot about Halloween? Ha,Ha! Kidding!
Cute costumes, love Kent Clark or is it Clark kent. I can never remember. And Alyssa is a mini Julie! So cute. Maybe it's only in Utah (and Idaho when we lived there) they don't trick or treat on sunday. I don't ever remember it happening when I was a kid. Glad you did it-not really breaking the sabbath asking people for candy is it?
So this year I told my kids that we would only be trick or treating in our little coldesac, but only two people were home, so I caved and took them down another street and back. Afterwards, I decided that I wouldn't do it again because I didn't feel right about it. I initially didn't think it was that big of a deal, so it kind of surprised me that I felt bad about it. But, part of me still wonders why walking down the street and knocking on doors is such a bad thing to do on sundays. Anyway, in seven years when the issue comes up again, I think I'll just plan a fun Halloween family night and buy a bunch of candy so the kids don't feel jipped. Oh and as far as the candy goes, I seriously just let them eat it until it's gone. That way it's over and done with.
I think Halloween is stupid and even a little dangerous and don't care what day of the week it is. We have never once gone door to door. We do the trunk or treat and call it good. I'm sure as my kids get older they will want to go out. I have not decided how to handle that yet.
I let my kids have a few pieces of candy at the trunk or treat. Then I chuck ALL of it when they go to bed. But I am mean mean mean when it comes to junk food. Two morbidly obese families turned me into a nazi. I wasn't sure what I would do when they got older and would remember the candy. But a friend had her kids put it under their pillow and the candy fairy left them five bucks. I'm all over that.
A party during the week is no big deal. It isn't like you are going to keep them there past bed time. And OT and often been late for me. To the point of me calling and freaking out the day before the party.
Sally, I think the Halloween at home every 7 years is a great idea. I think a party would be more fun anyway. Now I just need to convince my town to do it on the 31st so it is only an issue every 7 years.
Brittney, You hate Halloween? Oh, I so love it! It is not even so much about trick or treat, but I love an excuse to dress up my kids and take pictures of them, and have fun parties, and make cute crafts and treats. It is so fun to me. As for the goodies, I sneak a few pieces a day into the garbage. The candy fairy is a fun idea, but my kids would never go for it. The thing is, one week later, we have picked through our favorites and the rest will just sit there now. We may pick a piece out a couple times a week, but for the most part we have eaten what we like. It does seem terribly wasteful and I feel bad for the people who gave us Milky Ways, Butterfingers, Warheads, Crunch, among other gross selctions, because that candy will get pitched. I am not strict about junk food though and I do wish I did a little better with that. I eat a lot of it, and my kids eat more than they should. I admit it. But I do make them 3 real meals a day too, I promise.
I like to dress up as a family but I think the holiday in and of its self is stupid. I guess part of that may be because of where we live. I just don't think it is safe. And I am just so against junk food that it is just a pain in the arse for me. Andy leans your way about chucking stuff. If I don't get a hold of it first he takes it to work for his coworkers. Which is fine as long as it's gone. We do the same with all the Christmas candy his dad sends. My kids actually think getting a string cheese from the gas station is a treat.
And I don't think its evil by any means and don't think less of anyone that eats candy. We just have to be really careful with our family genes and lifestyle. Andy and I have fought HARD to teach our kids different than how we were raised. More of our family has had gastric bypass than has not.
And I also hate gore. Cute happy costumes are one thing. Death and violence are an instant turn off for me. Boston is terrified of it. He wouldn't walk into his preschool because of a skeleton on the door. They had to take it down I couldn't talk him through it.
I removed my previous comment because it just wasn't right. To trick or treat on Sunday is understandable, but to not trick or treat on Sunday is an opportunity. It's an opportunity to teach my kids what we really believe. That sometimes we do things even when they're tough because it is the right thing to do. There will always be exceptions to a rule (every seven years, not a big deal, etc.), but I would rather my kids not grow up looking for exceptions in every situation, because every situation will become the exception.
It is also an opportunity to have fun on another day. Fortunately many wards now offer trunk or treats/parties on Saturday - or you can always throw your own. Kids aren't going to die if they don't go trick or treating one year, but they can remember the lesson we teach them from it. Additionally, I don't think it's just a Utah thing. My brother-in-law has lived in Texas and North Carolina for years and neither does trick or treating on Sunday.
As far as candy I let them eat all they want the first day and then get rid of it when they're not looking. This is also for my sake so I don't eat it. I hope you don't think I'm judging you here. I'm really just thinking out loud my self evaluation. For me this was just a fun opportunity to look at what I believe (or at least the ideal).
Brittney, I agree with you about gore. I was even a little hesitant to let Alyssa be a witch, but it was a cute happy nice witch at least. I do not want my kids to wear blood on their faces or anything evil looking. Alex wants to be a vampire next year and I am already trying to redirect him. I understand the no junk food thing, especially if you have a family history. I would never judge anyone for NOT letting their kids eat junk.
Jimmie, Of course I am not offended by your comment. I asked a question and you gave an honest answer. I agree about not making exceptions when keeping the commandments. I guess the Sabbath Day is one of those commandments that leaves room for interpretaion. No one has ever said the exact do's and don'ts for Sundays, and that is why I asked how everyone else felt about it. There are some things I won't do on Sunday that others will, and vice versa. It is like caffeine, which I have ranted about before. I don't drink caffeine because I heard a prophet say not to. When I brought that up, I got all kinds of arguments about Bishops who drink it and people saying they never heard that interview so they still drank it, etc., Caffeine is another one of those things that leaves room for interpretation. I don't judge anyone for drinking caffeine. I just know what I heard and hold myself accountable for. We have to make the choices that feel right to us, and that may change over a lifetime as we learn more and accept more accountability. Since this post, a few people have told me of some nearby towns where they trick or treat on the 31st every year. Maybe I will take my kids there in the future. I would rather go out amongst my own neighbors, but next year Sunday is not even Halloween, so I will once again be protesting the ridiculous Sunday only rule. I wonder if anyone else does trick or treat exclusively on Sundays like my silly town?
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